client private discussion: fake documents

Client: I read your reply about the fake documents for payoneer in an offshore company (seychelles in my case)

can you tell me your experience regarding this?

from where can i buy the fake documents?

Admin: I found someone that can provide fake documents for opening Payoneer account.. he charge $250 for passport and utility bill, they look 100% real and you can get it notarized and even order more documents as per request of Payoneer if needed.

client:
Can you forward me the details of the contact who can provide me the fake documents?

Also, payoneer only accepts payments from US and UK, what do you do to receive payments from other jurisdictions?

I use it for UK transfers only the rest I have an offshore account for.
I don't tell you who this guy is, I can order the docs for you if required!

client:
sorry for asking so many questions, but which payment method do you use to receive payments from places other than UK?

Admin:
I ask people to transfer the Money to my Cyprus bank account by SWIFT / Wire Transfer or IBAN transfer, it's pretty easy for all people in Europe as well as the rest of the World.

client:
thank you so much for assisting so far.

I am just curious, you provided fake documents for the nominee director, correct? or were those for UBO (beneficiary owner aka YOU)

I think In your case, you must not have paid for nominee director service to your company formation agency as fake documents would've sufficed enough.

I am just wondering, if you provided fake documents for UBO (ultimate beneficiary ) ? but how? how did you claim ownership to your Cyprus Bank account then?

Wont the bank ask for the fake guy to come forward? (if someday you decide to go Cyprus in person)

Admin:
I will never go to the bank in person there is no need for that, everything is setup remote. I will not go into details about my setup since it's good protected :) However, I have used nominees for one Company setup so I have another Company where I did not used nominees and just used these documents for everything, this has been 1 year ago.

client:
great insight! i am finally getting the hang of it (thanks to your help and this great forum)

last question, are cyprus banks nosey? do they ask for proof / source of income, invoices?

Also which bank are you using and which one would you recommend to a newbie like me?

Admin:
I'm happy to help you, no problem.

I have an account with Piraeus Bank but you won't get an account there without a lot of questions and I heard a friend of mine who actually had some strange issues with them that took some time to sort out. Last week I Applied for a Bank of Cyprus account which I would recommend you to do as well.

In general I have nothing bad to say about banking in Cyprus I never had a single issue with them, even though I read a few guys here have but that may because of how they doing business.

last question, are cyprus banks nosey? do they ask for proof / source of income, invoices?
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They ask for this when you apply and that's it, so the total turnover should be twice of what you expect when they ask how much you will put into the account. That Means if you expect that you will receive EUR 10k then you put in the application 20k or even 30k so you avoid troubles

client:
Thank you and what about Hellenic Bank?

have you appointed local cyproit nominee director or non-resident?

I am asking this because you will be liable for cyprus taxes and accounting maintenance if you have local nominee director.

Admin:
Hellenic Bank is a no go, they don't accept online business always and are complicated to Work with, they used to be good but not any longer.

I have local nominee director because I make use of double tax treay for my country. So I pay only a Little tax in Cyprus and then nothing in my country

client:
Which bank would you recommend a newbie? I am not from europe or USA so our countries are not stringent about tax collection.

But I keep hearing bad comments about cyprus banks and how they are causing problems for offshore companies; not trusting them; freezing their accounts etc.

Which bank do you think I should go for?

I dont want to do all the trouble of company formation only to see it put on a review by bank. I am not into anything illegal ; but yes its an online business

Admin:
Well, what you have read may be the truth but only 70% of the story I have been holding an account in Cyprus with Piraeus bank for years no problem, I even in the process to open an account more with Bank of Cyprus so I don't believe the Guys you read about are telling the entire truth. They may have been involved in something they didn't told the bank! Typically Adult, Pharmacy or Gambling activity.

Say in worth case you are doing something stupid and your account get's into review, then you can at any time open a new account with another bank, there is nothing that stops you from doing this, so your Company will not be wasted.

I have an account in Belize too and a few other Places which I use to stock my Money, they are not that good for day to day banking and also have required a bankers reference letter.

client:
after formation, would i have to contact the bank via my OSP? or can i do it directly?

Admin:
You are communicating directly with the bank, there is no need to involved your OSP/Agent in this task.

client:
Can I have phone number of your BOC account manager? I will be able to talk to him directly.

Admin:
LoL for sure not.. are you thinking I'm stupid?!

client:
what i mean is the numbers listed on BOC website are of headqurter... I need branch phone number where i can speak with english speak account manager, thats all i meant.

i am sure your privacy wouldnt be threatened if you will share even your account manager: given he has opened 100s of account every year

Admin:
Good Luck, let me know if you need assistance with the company formation :)