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billybobsNew MemberAuthor
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#1

Hi,

I posted part of this on the main forum, but didn't get any detailed response. I hope someone can help me -
Im a UK resident and tax payer with family. We are moving to Dubai to be become tax resident in 18 months from now and will obviously have several Dubai companies.
We currently have profitable online companies (ecommerce and saas), with UK Ltd companies setup with income.
We have 100 e-commerce sites (drop shipping), each making approx $5,000 each a month and 3 SAAS sites making approx $100,000 each a month. These are all growing rapidly.
Currently money paid into our UK ltd company bank accounts and using 2co / stripe payments for processing (in our names / company names).

I would like the following advice -

1. I don't like having all these sites using only a few payment processors incase 1 processor is band, it causes problems for most of the sites. Does anyone have a solution to have payment processors (stripe / other) under different companies / peoples names? Is it legal to have a company whose only role is to process payments and send the payouts to another company?
This will apply now and when we are in Dubai, as I don't want all payment processors in a few names. Anyway to get any of the money from the payment processors into crypto? I also don't want a direct link between my Dubai companies and the services / goods we sell / payment processors, incase there is any issues in the future. I see something like -

WEBSITE > PAYMENT PROCESSOR IN OTHER PERSONS / COMPANY NAME > BANK ACC IN OTHER PERSONS / COMPANY NAME > OFFSHORE COMPANY IN MY NAME > DUBAI COMPANY IN MY NAME?

2. What is my best plan over the next 18 months? The simplest way is to pay the money to the UK company bank accounts and pay 23% corporation tax, and remove no money for me personally. The UK companies could then invest or loan the profits to my Dubai companies now or in 18 months time. Is there any solution with me still being a UK tax paying resident for the next 18 months to not pay the UK corporation tax?

SEND UK COMPANY MONEY TO SOME OFFSHORE COMPANY?

3. We sell products and services to UK and EU consumers. As you know VAT regardless of where your company is located will need to be charged and paid in the very near future for any UK / EU sales. Is there anyway to avoid charging / paying UK / EU VAT? We could obviously just not charge it and just not pay it to the EU, but what could be the ramifications? Could we route the money through some offshore company to our Dubai companies for 12 months, then close the offshore company and start another and repeat process? How about payment processors / credit card processors reporting us / or disclosing our company?

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billybobs said:

1. I don't like having all these sites using only a few payment processors incase 1 processor is band, it causes problems for most of the sites. Does anyone have a solution to have payment processors (stripe / other) under different companies / peoples names? Is it legal to have a company whose only role is to process payments and send the payouts to another company?

Yes, this is a very common setup especially for non-EU businesses. You set up a company in the EU which collects payments on behalf of its parent. You need to be careful when you set it up, especially if it's servicing multiple brands, but it can be done.

Shouldn't be a problem spreading your traffic across multiple processors.

billybobs said:

This will apply now and when we are in Dubai, as I don't want all payment processors in a few names. Anyway to get any of the money from the payment processors into crypto? I also don't want a direct link between my Dubai companies and the services / goods we sell / payment processors, incase there is any issues in the future. I see something like -

The payment agent must be a subsidiary or other closely related company (within an arm's length). Otherwise, you're effectively engaged in a publicly-facing financial service and need a payment institution license or equivalent.

billybobs said:

2. What is my best plan over the next 18 months? The simplest way is to pay the money to the UK company bank accounts and pay 23% corporation tax, and remove no money for me personally. The UK companies could then invest or loan the profits to my Dubai companies now or in 18 months time. Is there any solution with me still being a UK tax paying resident for the next 18 months to not pay the UK corporation tax?

Probably not. UK companies are tax resident by default just by being incorporated there, and that residence is further solidified by you living there. There is the concept of treaty non-resident but I don't see how it'd apply in your case.

billybobs said:

3. We sell products and services to UK and EU consumers. As you know VAT regardless of where your company is located will need to be charged and paid in the very near future for any UK / EU sales. Is there anyway to avoid charging / paying UK / EU VAT? We could obviously just not charge it and just not pay it to the EU, but what could be the ramifications? Could we route the money through some offshore company to our Dubai companies for 12 months, then close the offshore company and start another and repeat process? How about payment processors / credit card processors reporting us / or disclosing our company?

For this type of business, EU VAT is owed based on where the buyer is located, not where the seller is located. If you don't invoice with VAT, your customers likely have to pay VAT when they receive the item.

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#3

If you want a complete anonymous setup I would suggest you to look into the following setup:

1. find a homeless or a hooker, pay a few hundred euro and abuse their passport
2. create a company and an EMI with the passport
3. get a mail drop, real address with mail forwarding, use the passport and the maildrop for the EMI and merchant account
4. wait for approval
5. live your live in anonymity as I do.

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erni said:

If you want a complete anonymous setup I would suggest you to look into the following setup:

1. find a homeless or a hooker, pay a few hundred euro and abuse their passport
2. create a company and an EMI with the passport
3. get a mail drop, real address with mail forwarding, use the passport and the maildrop for the EMI and merchant account
4. wait for approval
5. live your live in anonymity as I do.

Also a well known option that works.

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erni said:

If you want a complete anonymous setup I would suggest you to look into the following setup:

1. find a homeless or a hooker, pay a few hundred euro and abuse their passport
2. create a company and an EMI with the passport
3. get a mail drop, real address with mail forwarding, use the passport and the maildrop for the EMI and merchant account
4. wait for approval
5. live your live in anonymity as I do.

Which EMI do you recommend to pass KYC the easiest? I have darks ready (passport + selfie) to register however from what I recall Wise wants selfie with the passport in hand.

uplanaFake user - Alias of JohnLocke
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Depends on which country the darks are from, if they are fake you can forget about them, they will in most cases be detected as what they are, fake!

It will require some technical knowledge as you may read about in various threads here inside the mentor group.

To get you going I would try with Paysera, Bilderlings, CentTrip and Converta - it can work if done right.

I don't consider the EMI's on any basis other then it's possible to use darks.

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erni said:

If you want a complete anonymous setup I would suggest you to look into the following setup:

1. find a homeless or a hooker, pay a few hundred euro and abuse their passport
2. create a company and an EMI with the passport
3. get a mail drop, real address with mail forwarding, use the passport and the maildrop for the EMI and merchant account
4. wait for approval
5. live your live in anonymity as I do.

How long does this setup usually last? What about doing taxes?

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d3pr3sso said:

Which EMI do you recommend to pass KYC the easiest? I have darks ready (passport + selfie) to register however from what I recall Wise wants selfie with the passport in hand.

Buy a good quality physical fake passport so you can take all the selfies they want.

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JohnnyDoe said:

Buy a good quality physical fake passport so you can take all the selfies they want.

indeed best suggestion to what you are looking for.

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uplana said:

Depends on which country the darks are from, if they are fake you can forget about them, they will in most cases be detected as what they are, fake!

It will require some technical knowledge as you may read about in various threads here inside the mentor group.

To get you going I would try with Paysera, Bilderlings, CentTrip and Converta - it can work if done right.

I don't consider the EMI's on any basis other then it's possible to use darks.

I will have a look at these, thank you.

JohnnyDoe said:

Buy a good quality physical fake passport so you can take all the selfies they want.

burden said:

indeed best suggestion to what you are looking for.

Do you have any recommendations as to which direction to go for this? (Darknet I presume?)

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d3pr3sso said:

I will have a look at these, thank you.

Do you have any recommendations as to which direction to go for this? (Darknet I presume?)

DM me. Be careful as 90% or more of the sellers are scammers or sell poor quality products. I do not sell stuff but can put you in touch with those who do.

uplanaFake user - Alias of JohnLocke
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d3pr3sso said:

Do you have any recommendations as to which direction to go for this? (Darknet I presume?)

darknet is the first place to look. use the TOR browser and also to proper research before you just take the first and the best.

bonoxFake user - Alias of JohnLocke
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uplana said:

Depends on which country the darks are from, if they are fake you can forget about them, they will in most cases be detected as what they are, fake!

It will require some technical knowledge as you may read about in various threads here inside the mentor group.

To get you going I would try with Paysera, Bilderlings, CentTrip and Converta - it can work if done right.

I don't consider the EMI's on any basis other then it's possible to use darks.

can you help with such setup?

burdenFake user - Alias of JohnLocke
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#14

I know how to set it up will send you a PM to discuss further.

clemensFake user - Alias of JohnLocke
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billybobs said:

Is it legal to have a company whose only role is to process payments and send the payouts to another company?

you need a good tax advisor firm to help you convience the tax office.

JohnnyDoe said:

Buy a good quality physical fake passport so you can take all the selfies they want.

that could actually work well.

kilorFake user - Alias of JohnLocke
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#16

Wonder if OP found a processor for his needs?

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JohnnyDoe said:

DM me. Be careful as 90% or more of the sellers are scammers or sell poor quality products. I do not sell stuff but can put you in touch with those who do.

I send you a message hap¤#"

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KScyprus said:

I send you a message hap¤#"

please send me too if you have something to offer!

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KScyprus said:

yo te envío un mensajehap¤#"

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